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	<title>Comments on: Updates: Philly network buildout continues, Portland&#8217;s Wi-Fi access points face cold winter</title>
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		<title>By: TPile &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tuesday Morning Links -</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 17:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] A tale of two cities: Philly network buildout continues, Portland s Wi-Fi access points face cold wi&#8230; muniwireless.com  Verizon Gets Smacked Down For Its VoIP Patent Suing Spree techdirt.com  2012: Embedded wi-fi in one billion devices? silicon.com  Virgin tops broadband speed chart pocket-lint.co.uk  No mile-high pr0n for Delta passengers theregister.co.uk  One in Three iPhone 3G Buyers Switched from Other Carriers to Join AT&amp;T telephonyworld.com  Study: Video Ads Unpopular Online; Simple Text The Way To Go cable360.net  Nintendo to limit DSi games with DVD-style region locks reghardware.co.uk [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David Sandel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Sandel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which brings us to the next question, how many paid subscriptions are there in place with the Philly network today ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which brings us to the next question, how many paid subscriptions are there in place with the Philly network today ?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Weinberg</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/10/05/philly-network-buildout-continues-portland-stalled/comment-page-1/#comment-35616</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Weinberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Overripe fruit should be picked and disposed of, otherwise it falls to the ground and rots.

While I lament, as a tax-payer, that Portland will likely have to foot the bill to remove MetroFi&#039;s failed network, I&#039;m heartened that they are taking the path of least cost and least resistance to close this chapter. 

The suggestion that the network, as it stands, would work if only the city were to invest in it, is flawed. While there may indeed be potential in MetroFi&#039;s hardware, tossing more money at the existing, failed deployment, is not the solution. 

A replacement/redeployment of the MetroFi network requires an analysis of both the technical and financial problems with their model. As one of the &quot;Portland geeks&quot; who might be involved in taking the network over (if that were to occur), I strongly approve of the city&#039;s decision to move forward cautiously, and not prejudge success, as you have. 

The failure of these networks was largely technical and financial, not social. It is wrong to blame cities or citizens for not supporting them adequately. Indeed, if anything, many cities and individuals were too eager to support ideas and business plans that were not fully-formed. 

Next generation networks, to the extent they come to be, will succeed through honest planning and hard work from dedicated, technical minds, not the feedback loop of industry boosters, blindly encouraging investment in projects they only know from press-releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Overripe fruit should be picked and disposed of, otherwise it falls to the ground and rots.</p>
<p>While I lament, as a tax-payer, that Portland will likely have to foot the bill to remove MetroFi&#8217;s failed network, I&#8217;m heartened that they are taking the path of least cost and least resistance to close this chapter. </p>
<p>The suggestion that the network, as it stands, would work if only the city were to invest in it, is flawed. While there may indeed be potential in MetroFi&#8217;s hardware, tossing more money at the existing, failed deployment, is not the solution. </p>
<p>A replacement/redeployment of the MetroFi network requires an analysis of both the technical and financial problems with their model. As one of the &#8220;Portland geeks&#8221; who might be involved in taking the network over (if that were to occur), I strongly approve of the city&#8217;s decision to move forward cautiously, and not prejudge success, as you have. </p>
<p>The failure of these networks was largely technical and financial, not social. It is wrong to blame cities or citizens for not supporting them adequately. Indeed, if anything, many cities and individuals were too eager to support ideas and business plans that were not fully-formed. </p>
<p>Next generation networks, to the extent they come to be, will succeed through honest planning and hard work from dedicated, technical minds, not the feedback loop of industry boosters, blindly encouraging investment in projects they only know from press-releases.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Fleishman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn Fleishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not 100,000 users per day; that&#039;s sessions (not users) per month. Also Earthlink had installed nodes reattively densely already. Portland was never satisfied with really any of the network&#039;s performance. Plus, the gear is now 2 years old (since manufacture) and the network design about 4 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not 100,000 users per day; that&#8217;s sessions (not users) per month. Also Earthlink had installed nodes reattively densely already. Portland was never satisfied with really any of the network&#8217;s performance. Plus, the gear is now 2 years old (since manufacture) and the network design about 4 years old.</p>
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