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	<title>Comments on: Open letter to President-elect Obama: please don&#8217;t send the stimulus money to the telecom incumbents</title>
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		<title>By: Esme Vos</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-37617</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey bluesguy,

As opposed to private companies that manage the money well? You mean: Washington Mutual, Countrywide, Citibank, Merrill Lynch, AIG, Ford, GM, Chrysler, Bank of America, who else am I leaving out? Oh yeah, overseas, the Royal Bank of Scotland, Fortis, Satyam, all of the banks of Iceland . . . all of which are private companies. 

By the way, can you explain to us why France, Germany, the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands and so many other countries have more competition in the market for broadband? Why is it that a resident of Paris can get 100 Mbps symmetrical broadband service for 50 EUR per month but his counterpart in NYC cannot? 

Not because the French government has given the city of Paris money to &quot;blow&quot; but because the French government -- for all its so-called socialist leanings -- has actually imposed rules that ensure there is competition. Amazing, isn&#039;t it, those bloody European socialists actually seriously enforcing rules to ensure that residents enjoy the benefits of an open market. 

The French government, like many European governments, have imposed and enforced regulations that require their telecom incumbents to share their copper lines. Better yet, they forced the incumbents to share the fiber ducts going into buildings and to share fiber optic networks. In some instances, the governments have funded the deployment of FTTH (e.g. Amsterdam). 

The result is that these rules and investments have allowed other companies -- yes, other private enterprises -- to enter the ISP market and make money. Unlike the US, which does not enforce its antitrust laws, European governments actually believe in some kind of free, open market where a lot of private companies compete for your money. 

Another thing: what I have discussed here is for for local governments and states to build and own the underlying infrastructure, the fiber, and to open it up to all kinds of ISPs, not just the cable guy or the DSL incumbent, but other ISPs. In reality, most municipalities do not act as ISPs unless there is really no ISP in their community who will run the service. They get a local ISP to run the service. 

So what must happen is the separation of the infrastructure layer from the service layer, allowing different service providers to compete for your business. Isn&#039;t that what the free market is all about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey bluesguy,</p>
<p>As opposed to private companies that manage the money well? You mean: Washington Mutual, Countrywide, Citibank, Merrill Lynch, AIG, Ford, GM, Chrysler, Bank of America, who else am I leaving out? Oh yeah, overseas, the Royal Bank of Scotland, Fortis, Satyam, all of the banks of Iceland . . . all of which are private companies. </p>
<p>By the way, can you explain to us why France, Germany, the UK, Sweden, the Netherlands and so many other countries have more competition in the market for broadband? Why is it that a resident of Paris can get 100 Mbps symmetrical broadband service for 50 EUR per month but his counterpart in NYC cannot? </p>
<p>Not because the French government has given the city of Paris money to &#8220;blow&#8221; but because the French government &#8212; for all its so-called socialist leanings &#8212; has actually imposed rules that ensure there is competition. Amazing, isn&#8217;t it, those bloody European socialists actually seriously enforcing rules to ensure that residents enjoy the benefits of an open market. </p>
<p>The French government, like many European governments, have imposed and enforced regulations that require their telecom incumbents to share their copper lines. Better yet, they forced the incumbents to share the fiber ducts going into buildings and to share fiber optic networks. In some instances, the governments have funded the deployment of FTTH (e.g. Amsterdam). </p>
<p>The result is that these rules and investments have allowed other companies &#8212; yes, other private enterprises &#8212; to enter the ISP market and make money. Unlike the US, which does not enforce its antitrust laws, European governments actually believe in some kind of free, open market where a lot of private companies compete for your money. </p>
<p>Another thing: what I have discussed here is for for local governments and states to build and own the underlying infrastructure, the fiber, and to open it up to all kinds of ISPs, not just the cable guy or the DSL incumbent, but other ISPs. In reality, most municipalities do not act as ISPs unless there is really no ISP in their community who will run the service. They get a local ISP to run the service. </p>
<p>So what must happen is the separation of the infrastructure layer from the service layer, allowing different service providers to compete for your business. Isn&#8217;t that what the free market is all about?</p>
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		<title>By: bluesguy</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-37616</link>
		<dc:creator>bluesguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 01:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s it give the money to inept governmental bodies who mismanage money on a regular basis.  All that municipalities have show is that they can use an unfair business advantage of using taxpayer dollars as seed money which they do not have to pay back only to create ill-fated services.  On the other hand, communication costs have continually gone down over the years. All you have to do is remember what it cost to make a call 10 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s it give the money to inept governmental bodies who mismanage money on a regular basis.  All that municipalities have show is that they can use an unfair business advantage of using taxpayer dollars as seed money which they do not have to pay back only to create ill-fated services.  On the other hand, communication costs have continually gone down over the years. All you have to do is remember what it cost to make a call 10 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Broadband Bytes Doubleheader Edition: November 22-December 5, 2008 &#187; Free UTOPIA!</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-37059</link>
		<dc:creator>Broadband Bytes Doubleheader Edition: November 22-December 5, 2008 &#187; Free UTOPIA!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chance at a bunch of federal dollars. Of course, not everyone is happy at the idea of incumbents getting a slice of the federal pie and I can&#8217;t blame them. After all, these jokers are the same guys who managed to get nearly [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] chance at a bunch of federal dollars. Of course, not everyone is happy at the idea of incumbents getting a slice of the federal pie and I can&#8217;t blame them. After all, these jokers are the same guys who managed to get nearly [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Foxall</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-36995</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Foxall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 22:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truth is most of Europes fiber optic network (especially Britain) was done by the private sector at great cost to the banks, early 90&#039;s when technology was having huge amounts of money thrown at it.  The bubble burst and if you look at Telewest in the UK (now owned by Virgin Media) their shares dropped 99% when that bubble burst, it costs way too much to lay a network just to be used by the public, it needs to be required by business, this is where telephony companies get there money from, hence why major citiues usually have the best deals.

Big companies throw service at the consumer cheap just to add another customer to their end of year financial report.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truth is most of Europes fiber optic network (especially Britain) was done by the private sector at great cost to the banks, early 90&#8242;s when technology was having huge amounts of money thrown at it.  The bubble burst and if you look at Telewest in the UK (now owned by Virgin Media) their shares dropped 99% when that bubble burst, it costs way too much to lay a network just to be used by the public, it needs to be required by business, this is where telephony companies get there money from, hence why major citiues usually have the best deals.</p>
<p>Big companies throw service at the consumer cheap just to add another customer to their end of year financial report.</p>
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		<title>By: u235sentinel</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-36950</link>
		<dc:creator>u235sentinel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re seeing the beginning of what happens when the incumbents control the internet.

- Terminating the internet account when a vague usage line has been crossed (Concast fixed that just this year from our pushing this issue to the public just this October)

- Poor quality competition.  Besides Concast and their 6/8/12 meg lines, the ONLY other option in my area is 1.5 Meg DSL.  that&#039;s it for competition unless you want SLOWER internet and go wireless.

- One or two solutions in any area.  This is competition?  It&#039;s like saying there is a variety of soda&#039;s to choose from.  You can drink coke or pepsi cola.  But nothing else is available.  This is choice?

My family and friends who are tired of poor service and options are writing letters to President Elect Obama about this.  We&#039;re tired of being abused by the incumbent and want real change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re seeing the beginning of what happens when the incumbents control the internet.</p>
<p>- Terminating the internet account when a vague usage line has been crossed (Concast fixed that just this year from our pushing this issue to the public just this October)</p>
<p>- Poor quality competition.  Besides Concast and their 6/8/12 meg lines, the ONLY other option in my area is 1.5 Meg DSL.  that&#8217;s it for competition unless you want SLOWER internet and go wireless.</p>
<p>- One or two solutions in any area.  This is competition?  It&#8217;s like saying there is a variety of soda&#8217;s to choose from.  You can drink coke or pepsi cola.  But nothing else is available.  This is choice?</p>
<p>My family and friends who are tired of poor service and options are writing letters to President Elect Obama about this.  We&#8217;re tired of being abused by the incumbent and want real change.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Burstein</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-36845</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Burstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right on target, especially since they will not provide more broadband in return. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on target, especially since they will not provide more broadband in return.</p>
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		<title>By: Evert_Bopp</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2008/12/03/no-stimulus-package-money-to-incumbents/#comment-36851</link>
		<dc:creator>Evert_Bopp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Esme, I absolutely agree with you. Broadband infra-structure should be modeled on public amenities/utilities and should be open to any and all operators. Considering this you might be interested to learn that the Irish government has just awarded the contract for the nationwide supply of broadband to a mobile phone company. More here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://url.ie/ysy &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://url.ie/ysy &lt;/a&gt;&amp; here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://url.ie/ysz &quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://url.ie/ysz &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Esme, I absolutely agree with you. Broadband infra-structure should be modeled on public amenities/utilities and should be open to any and all operators. Considering this you might be interested to learn that the Irish government has just awarded the contract for the nationwide supply of broadband to a mobile phone company. More here: <a href="http://url.ie/ysy " target="_blank"></a><a href="http://url.ie/ysy" rel="nofollow">http://url.ie/ysy</a> &amp; here: <a href="http://url.ie/ysz " target="_blank"></a><a href="http://url.ie/ysz" rel="nofollow">http://url.ie/ysz</a> </p>
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