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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s up with Riverside&#8217;s citywide Wi-Fi network?</title>
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		<title>By: Esme Vos</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-41835</link>
		<dc:creator>Esme Vos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 20:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riverside hired US Internet, the ISP for the Minneapolis citywide WiFi network, to run Riverside&#039;s network. 

http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/05/28/us-internet-takes-over-riverside-wifi-network/

So maybe you will see an improvement. Please report back and let us know if it&#039;s working again. I guess AT&amp;T never made Riverside&#039;s network a priority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Riverside hired US Internet, the ISP for the Minneapolis citywide WiFi network, to run Riverside&#8217;s network. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/05/28/us-internet-takes-over-riverside-wifi-network/" rel="nofollow">http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/05/28/us-internet-takes-over-riverside-wifi-network/</a></p>
<p>So maybe you will see an improvement. Please report back and let us know if it&#8217;s working again. I guess AT&#038;T never made Riverside&#8217;s network a priority.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Lopez</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-41829</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Lopez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 19:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have never successfully been able to use this wifi, about 20-30 people I know say the same thing. I work in the tech industry in Riverside and it&#039;s been completely useless.

Good riddance?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have never successfully been able to use this wifi, about 20-30 people I know say the same thing. I work in the tech industry in Riverside and it&#8217;s been completely useless.</p>
<p>Good riddance?</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 17:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hate to burst any bubbles here but AT&amp;T won’t allow Google or Microsoft to just swoop in and assume lease or ownership of that fiber. Not in a million years as Google&#039;s far superior &quot;state of the art&quot; technology will morph the telephone company&#039;s 20 year old equipment having no new technology or equipment in the pipeline. Nope, Google will become the telephone and cable companies’ worst nightmare to the benefit of the consumer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hate to burst any bubbles here but AT&amp;T won’t allow Google or Microsoft to just swoop in and assume lease or ownership of that fiber. Not in a million years as Google&#8217;s far superior &#8220;state of the art&#8221; technology will morph the telephone company&#8217;s 20 year old equipment having no new technology or equipment in the pipeline. Nope, Google will become the telephone and cable companies’ worst nightmare to the benefit of the consumer.</p>
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		<title>By: MAR_03_2002</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-40672</link>
		<dc:creator>MAR_03_2002</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what happened? Did the vote take place? Nothing in the news on their decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what happened? Did the vote take place? Nothing in the news on their decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-40665</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They should also seek to strike a roaming deal with AT+T / Wayport with their new, powerful ten location network to sweeten the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They should also seek to strike a roaming deal with AT+T / Wayport with their new, powerful ten location network to sweeten the pot.</p>
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		<title>By: Marshall Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-40664</link>
		<dc:creator>Marshall Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the original spec called for covering 55 square miles.  

It takes conservatively $200K/sq mile, and that&#039;s before you get into marketing, customer support, and recurrents.  Did Metrofi/AT+T anticipate that this would be $11 million just for the hardware/install?

Then there&#039;s the folly of trying to cover such enormous areas in the first place with Wi-Fi.  Wi-Fi is a local, limited technology.  It is low powered, operating in open unlicensed spectrum.  It will not go through trees or buildings.  It will be subject to variable RF interference from contending networks.

To build a Wi-Fi network as though it was a cell network is misguided, and it sets up all sorts of unreasonable expectations -- like that you can connect anywhere.

Wi-Fi must be deployed with these limitations in mind.  If the City of Riverside proposes to take over the network, it should take the top ten locations in Riverside, places where people naturally gather -- schools, main streets, libraries, job centers -- and seek a sponsor on the basis of that.  Put together a package that emphasizes that this is about wireless community revitalization.  Jobs, jobs, jobs.  The &#039;ask&#039; must be something concrete and compelling if they are to find a sponsor.

Whatever gear was laid out is now probably getting close to worthless since it is now at least two years old, and probably older.  802.11N will help the cost/quality immensely.  

Riverside can regroup.  The fact that they still would have AT+T&#039;s backbone and antenna locations is really a good place to start.

A sponsor is needed, but a sponsor may be gotten if Riverside focuses on things that sponsors would want.  Maybe its a device company that wants to showcase their smart phones.  Maybe with a local community portal you could bring health, educational, and public services info to people (it&#039;s not about access, but where you are, your community).  Perhaps Riverside becomes a testing ground for local search, for experimenting with all kinds of local applications, services, hyper local ads, things that a Google, Microsoft, Yahoo! or any consumer goods company would find attractive.  

By no means should the network continue as is -- that 55 square miles.  It was misconceived and would be an albatross.

If the City is willing to seek a sponsor, they should ask AT+T for unlimited bandwidth for free, locations for gear, and rebuild the network in a top ten list of locations, and have each listed in the sponsor package, with its benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the original spec called for covering 55 square miles.  </p>
<p>It takes conservatively $200K/sq mile, and that&#8217;s before you get into marketing, customer support, and recurrents.  Did Metrofi/AT+T anticipate that this would be $11 million just for the hardware/install?</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s the folly of trying to cover such enormous areas in the first place with Wi-Fi.  Wi-Fi is a local, limited technology.  It is low powered, operating in open unlicensed spectrum.  It will not go through trees or buildings.  It will be subject to variable RF interference from contending networks.</p>
<p>To build a Wi-Fi network as though it was a cell network is misguided, and it sets up all sorts of unreasonable expectations &#8212; like that you can connect anywhere.</p>
<p>Wi-Fi must be deployed with these limitations in mind.  If the City of Riverside proposes to take over the network, it should take the top ten locations in Riverside, places where people naturally gather &#8212; schools, main streets, libraries, job centers &#8212; and seek a sponsor on the basis of that.  Put together a package that emphasizes that this is about wireless community revitalization.  Jobs, jobs, jobs.  The &#8216;ask&#8217; must be something concrete and compelling if they are to find a sponsor.</p>
<p>Whatever gear was laid out is now probably getting close to worthless since it is now at least two years old, and probably older.  802.11N will help the cost/quality immensely.  </p>
<p>Riverside can regroup.  The fact that they still would have AT+T&#8217;s backbone and antenna locations is really a good place to start.</p>
<p>A sponsor is needed, but a sponsor may be gotten if Riverside focuses on things that sponsors would want.  Maybe its a device company that wants to showcase their smart phones.  Maybe with a local community portal you could bring health, educational, and public services info to people (it&#8217;s not about access, but where you are, your community).  Perhaps Riverside becomes a testing ground for local search, for experimenting with all kinds of local applications, services, hyper local ads, things that a Google, Microsoft, Yahoo! or any consumer goods company would find attractive.  </p>
<p>By no means should the network continue as is &#8212; that 55 square miles.  It was misconceived and would be an albatross.</p>
<p>If the City is willing to seek a sponsor, they should ask AT+T for unlimited bandwidth for free, locations for gear, and rebuild the network in a top ten list of locations, and have each listed in the sponsor package, with its benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: AT&#38;T wants to give muni-WiFi network back to Riverside, Calif. &#187; India Telecom Tracker</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-40663</link>
		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T wants to give muni-WiFi network back to Riverside, Calif. &#187; India Telecom Tracker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] For more:- see this MuniWireless article [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] For more:- see this MuniWireless article [...]</p>
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		<title>By: AT&#38;T Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City &#124; Consultoria Informática</title>
		<link>http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/11/whats-up-with-riverside-citywide-wifi-network/#comment-40645</link>
		<dc:creator>AT&#38;T Wants to Dump Riverside Network on City &#124; Consultoria Informática</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 22:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif., network operated by AT&amp;T. The network was the first and only bid by AT&amp;T with MetroFi, which was unable to complete that network along with many others, and which shut down in 2008. In Riverside, AT&amp;T kept up much of its end of the bargain, hiring Nokia Siemens to complete the network, which Vos says only reached 77 percent of the city. (One expects there&#8217;s no SkyPilot gear left in place, either, but I don&#8217;t know that for sure.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] One of the legacy muni-Fi networks will have new (or no) owners: Esme Vos writes at MuniWireless.com about the current state of the Riverside, Calif., network operated by AT&amp;T. The network was the first and only bid by AT&amp;T with MetroFi, which was unable to complete that network along with many others, and which shut down in 2008. In Riverside, AT&amp;T kept up much of its end of the bargain, hiring Nokia Siemens to complete the network, which Vos says only reached 77 percent of the city. (One expects there&#8217;s no SkyPilot gear left in place, either, but I don&#8217;t know that for sure.) [...]</p>
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